U.S. Department of Energy - Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy
Energy Education & Workforce Development
Text-Alternative Webcast of the National Training and Education Resource (NTER)
MICHELLE FOX: Hi, welcome everyone. I wanted to say thank you for joining our webinar on the National Training and Education Resource. I would like to begin with some quick Introductions. I am Michelle Fox and I serve as the Chief Strategist for workforce and education here in the Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy in the Department of Energy. I would like to turn it over to my colleague Alex Cohen.
ALEX COHEN: Hi, I am Alex Cohen and I serve in the Office of Public Affairs and I handle a lot of the federal visual strategy and IT reform for the Office of PA (Public Affairs). Thank you.
MICHELLE FOX: Great, and I would also like to thank Erin Twamley who is here moderating the webinar and will help to facilitate the question period. Erin, did you want to cover some of the basics?
ERIN TWAMLEY: Hi, welcome to the webinar today. You are all currently on mute, if you have a question during the webinar please feel free to use the chat function and type in your question. Otherwise we will be addressing them at the end. If you would also like to speak at the end and provide you question verbally you may do that. You may use the raise your hand function. If you at any point in time cannot hear us or see something just type into the questions chat box and I will be able to help you out.
MICHELLE FOX: Thanks Erin. Great, if we can have the first slide please. Very good. We would like to just cover briefly what you will be learning in this webinar and so this is a brief agenda. We are going to discuss the problems that we saw with online learning, go over a brief overview of the National Training and Education Resource. We call it NTER because we love our acronyms here and then cover some of the most innovative features of NTER. These include open source, what that means and the fact that it is free to use. The distributed search capabilities of NTER, the interactive and the immersive training capabilities which make it fun and interactive, 3D browser assessments and what that means for both those who create training and those who take its offering and how this empowers all to create and learn. Social reviews, and then we will show you a demo so this won't just be death by PowerPoint which we are trying to get away from. How to get involved with the project and then future development that we're anticipating, including expert reviews, e-commerce and an enhanced recommenders system. All of this will come clear it won't just be a bunch of bullet points I promise, then we will turn it over to question and answers. We are looking forward to hearing from you.
Just to start off there are some great opportunities for improving education and training and really we don't do anything like we did twenty years ago. We are using information technology in a phenomenal way for everything from ordering shoes online to the way we do banking. So we really want to get away from just doing things in a lecture format that is often seen as irrelevant by today's learners who are plugged in everywhere. One of the reasons that we wanted to increase engagement is to help people learn faster and in a more efficient and effective way. There are great capabilities that came about through the use of information technology, but a lot of people thought that by putting materials online we would actually be able to increase efficiency. But just putting materials online does not really solve the problem. I think those of us who have taken online training often conjure up a pretty negative feeling and that is what are the Department of Energy talking about, it is not all fun and games right. The image that is in front of you pretty much exemplifies what a lot of us think about when we think about online training. It is pretty snooze worthy or worse. I think online training has had a bad reputation because a lot of people just put up a PowerPoint or a PDF and say well that is done. What we really want to do is much more creative and much more innovative.
New learning tools, and that is what we are really focusing on here. Make it possible to create highly interactive environments to develop inquiry based learning and do things like bridging theory into practice. What that means is allowing people to operate equipment without the consequences of failure or to learn what it means to fail in a safe environment. To offer things like varied and contrasting examples without doing a lot of travel and, being able to demonstrate things with dynamic interactive examples. Providing access to expertise, lots and lots of feedback and also the ability for continuous assessment which is really important so you don't worry about a high stakes exam at the end, but to actually know how you are doing all the way along. Also, collaborative environments so that you can work with people all the way through and learn from others and also have access to an endlessly patient medium. And what I mean by that is, only your computer will know how many times it took you to get through something and I think that is another really great thing that we can leverage when we develop good online training.
One example that you see in front of you is a flight simulator that has been used really effectively by the Department of Defense. Folks like the Department of Defense and the National Institutes of Health have had access to developing these high quality online educations for a long time because they have had pretty substantial budgets. What we wanted to do was to make that routinely available and it just has not been possible. And the reason why we are really focused on this is that if you increase the interactivity as you see here on the pyramid before you, you actually increase student retention rates. As you increase interactivity people will remember more. So I tend to make the standard joke that if I continue to just lecture at you, you will be at a five percent retention rate which is at the top there. If you actually had the opportunity to get in there and practice and discuss with others on the line about what this technology could do you would be a much higher retention rate. We wanted to make that kind of a learning opportunity available to all and in different kind of fields. We have this one time opportunity under the Recovery Act to create a content agnostic tool set that could serve other training examples. We did that and created the National Training and Education Resource. I don't want to bore you with all of this text here, but really we are trying to support a capable and flexible workforce with the advances that information technology offer and the key recommendation of learning science research.
The key features that we are going to be talking to you about are the fact that it is and open source technology and what that means for you. The fact that it has distributed search, and again that means that unlike single repositories, people can actually host this and communicate much like the web work. Interactive and immersive training and addressing the fact that we are able to really increase the engagement, and we are really not going to have the image o f the gentleman who is falling asleep in front of his computer and offering different ways to assess people. So they can actually go into 3D environments and practice what they would do in the jobs and have realistic assessments. Then the ability for authoring so we can put these tools in the hands of subject matter experts and the capabilities for completing these reviews so that we can actually get continuous improvement, instead of our traditional model which is generally starting from scratch.
So just a word about open source and why we are pretty passionate about it. There is a great deal of efficiency that can be realized with open source. What this actually means is the underlying code behind the software is available to all. What this means basically if you think about it in terms of a recipe, it would mean that you are able to follow what is powering the machine to work. What makes this special is that anyone can improve on it rather than starting from scratch. Before we move on we just want to make sure, some people have doubts about it and we want to reassure you that it is endorsed by some the most secure places on the planet including our National Security Administration. You are already probably running it in places either on you campuses or agencies so it is a growing trend which we can use the community to build on each other's shoulders as opposed to starting from scratch. It's got a great capability and we want to show you on our next slide what it enables us to do. That is we use existing open source packages to build our systems and again instead of starting from scratch we use existing open source software from sponsors including the Department of the Defense, CISCO®, Apache®, Yahoo®, Google ®, and others. Basically you get together infrastructure we worked on the connective tissue bringing together all of these very powerful packages together to create a system that is basically valued at about a billion dollars.
We will now get into what NTER does but what we wanted to show you was the capability that open source has actually brought to us building on the shoulders of other to bring you a very, very powerful learning technology. At this point I would like to turn it over to my colleague Alex. Who will tell you very specifically how and what NTER does and what it brings to you as a training community.
ALEX COHEN: Thank you, Michelle thank you so much. Thanks to everyone for taking the time to listen. So the first thing I want to talk to you about is the Basic and Advanced Authoring Tools. This includes all of the basic functionality that you would expect in a learning management system such as role based administration optional registration, course tacking and bookmarking, course management and grading, all the features that you would want in that space. I addition to the offering tools so not only does it handle the LMS Learning management Systems or LMS work but also has the authoring tools to build new courses. This includes stuff like writing up PowerPoint and having it turn into a standard page turner course. The ones where you click next and previous kind of your standard online training. The ability to add in movies, add in knowledge test, bubble test, and exams, the ability for the instructor to go back and grade all the other things around course management and course creation. All of that functionality is built into there. In addition I will be showing you the advanced offering tools. That is the ability to not only do the basic stuff, but to show you the videos, but to actually build 3d simulations that then get wrapped into a course. This would be in our case the Department of Energy where we want to show demonstration of assembling of a wind turbine and adding installation. Or other number of activities, a visual representation, or even a simulation to give the student a virtual tool to do it would be very valuable.
The second feature that we want to talk about is the distributed search. We will be talking about that now. NTER is a distributed system, the idea being we do not want to be a giant repository in the sky we are not asking everyone to give us their courses and we will host them. The idea is that everyone gets to host their own material, maintain their own local control of it, so they can turn it on and turn it off they can customize it as they see fit for their particular students or users, but in the end we can share content across our space. Just as we use open source to build a lot better system, we can use open source or kind of an open access model to build better courses.
So what we have here is one copy of NTER at the Department of Energy and our copy is this one here. So we go out to the first page. This is actually a federal course. So this is NTER at the Department of Energy. You can just come in here and these are some of the courses that I have recently taken, these are some of the featured courses and popular courses. What is going on behind the scenes is we have two different management systems attached. This is basically bringing us to a point if you already have infrastructure if you already have a learning management system that is wonderful, you can plug you existing infrastructure into NTER and then make those courses available to the NTER system. We have chosen two open source ones nothing has stopped you form using proprietary ones as well. More exciting is there are other copies of NTER systems out there In the world. Some at community colleges some ate universities some at private companies some at training centers. So what happens is when a new one comes online it basically announces to the world, hey I am the NTER system at the Department of Education, or I am the NTER system at a university. From that point forward a users can come into any one of these, when they search for courses they are actually searching across all the connected systems so we want a course on radio operation maybe stored in department of defense. If they come in from UMass/ Dartmouth in this model they search for radio operations find that course at Department of Defense. When a user clicks on it that course will load directly to the user as if it was hosted locally this allows you to find and reuse mix and match course from the entire space.
MICHELLE FOX: I thought I could quickly answer was that we are licensed currently under the General Public License version 2 and it also includes some apache but there is nothing to stop you from as Alex has mention working with your own software.
ALEX COHEN: That is correct so basically learning management systems are coupled through basically open protocol. Basically atom feed xml feed so if you wish to incorporate that through proprietary systems you can do so in a number of touch point throughout the system. However the main stuff is under the general public license. And you have to support the GPL license for those modifications. Anyways this kind of gives us a distributed search. Let show what it actually looks like, the distributed users and see what it looks like coming in here. Let's search for an energy course on a blower doors or energy remediation.
MICHELLE FOX: Just to also add although many of the examples will show have to do with energy we are very excited that the system is content agnostic and it is actually currently seeing quite a bit of use from the health care training side of the house. So what we started was being picked up by the other places as well and there really is no limit from the uses. We are only limited by the imagination of the folks out there. We are happy to have folks pick it up and use it for however they see fit.
ALEX COHEN: We are going to bring up a course called blower door test. Before you run it you have to prepare for it so that is what we are going to do. So this is just a really simple module it is only a couple minutes long used by the department of energy.
This particular one will cover a no-go situation. There is the information going on behind the scenes. In a minute it is going to give us some pop ups in the house we want to avoid. For example, if you have a damaged ceiling. If you suck the air out of a house the ceiling has a good chance of collapsing in that generally will make the home owner very unhappy when their ceiling is now on the floor. So you might want to avoid doing that sort of thing. If you have an open thump pump this will start collecting up sewer gases and you will have a very stinky or moldy house, again try to avoid those things. Below here there are some additional materials; there are some videos that are available if you want to bring those up. Different types of media are used here. Page two is all video based and the user can just click on this and just like the previous one there is audio narration and to will show you how to condition the house and closing exterior doors and windows turning off appliances and that sort of stuff.
Page three is where we get to the more interesting stuff. This is where we use the advanced authoring tool in this section here that is currently loading. This is weatherization or real energy efficiency and will have to actually do. As this is loading up, also I want to point out that this is a randomized assessment. So the material in here is reconfigured every time you come in it. Here we are we have a three dimensional house and we can interact with it at this level. So we can close those exterior doors we can't depressurize the house if we have all of the doors open. And you can go into each individual room, so we are going to go into the kitchen now. You can look around. Here we have a combustion appliance. The stove is currently turned on and we would like to start turn it off. We are going to click turn off. If you don't turn it off you will be depressurizing it and it will start collecting gas across the house and that could lead to dangerous situations. Let's look at the drain. We can fill the drain only if the house is not in use. Put water in the trough otherwise this would make a pretty stinky home or you could go through and close air vents and closing windows and all sorts of stuff throughout the house. When the student is ready this is actually the exam portion of the course. Oh we just failed, for example we forgot to turn off the HVAC (heating, ventilation, and air conditioning). Sorry having a little bit of a problem with the mouse. So for example, we forgot to turn off the water heater. So for combustion appliances that is something we should have handled. And on the next page and final page it says thank you this is what you learned under the learning objectives. So this is one example of this course. We will search a second time and pull up a different course at Delany technical college. This is another group doing the same type of energy efficiency material.
They are also doing blower doors and they've got other sections and they are doing the same topic area. They didn't use the 3D capabilities, what they did mostly PowerPoint and did a more standard page turner course, very common, very familiar with. So for example, here is our blower door section and as you can see it is very instructionally sound and details all of the functionality but they didn't choose to use videos or other multi-media. But what we did find was they have gone off and found our course and because it is a distributed system it is not coming from NTER learning.org. I did not mention that in the beginning and I apologize. We talk about the distributive system this course is coming from a different NTER node. They came in through the Department of Energy's www.NTERlearning.org and they found this course on a different NTER node. I clicked on it just like the first one and that course loaded see house loaded with the blower door house component. It gave me audio narration they have recycled the video based section of the course and they have stripped down the 3D interactive content because this is an instructor lead course. They don't envision the student actually going through it they envision an instructor teaching it. So they were able to modify it to their particular needs. Because we built something they were able to stand upon our shoulders to make a better course. They have a lot more of instructional materials in this one than the module that I just showed you. That is a really solid example of why we have used this.
MICHELLE FOX: I just want to build on what Alex is saying. I wanted to highlight a couple of things. One is this is helping to address the facts of previously hindered online learning. There has been little to no interoperability of online resources. And what you have seen there is a great number of interoperability in practice. It is helping to lower the expense for developing online resources. So we are very excited about that. And finally we are actually able to see that we're by using a new technology called HTML 5, which is getting at another at reduced interoperability which is your firewall which is firewall which prevent some of the really interactive stuff from being deployed at some of the institutions both federal and educational institutions. Some of the materials can be looked at may have looked like flash and it may have look like there were downloads that were required, but in actuality all that was deployed through the browser and it is very exciting because we are able to tackle some of the key challenges that are indeed challenges that have prevented us from seeing great online materials from being deployed, reused and built cheaply and effectively.
The final thing I wanted to point out for instructors is that our materials are we are hearing from our user community are being used in several different ways and this is what I get really excited about the end use. So they are being used by the students before they get into the class room because they are able to self-register and access materials so if you have students of varying levels those who are not as familiar with the materials can actually access some of the materials before hand and gain some familiarity. There are also some of the highly sophisticated simulations are being used by instructors and teachers on smart boards in the classroom to demonstrate the various concepts. Then they are also being used either as a test or for review after. In some cases there are limited opportunities to practice on pieces of equipment, so the simulation allow for all students to go through and practice afterwards. We are very excited that one piece of content is being used in multiple way by instructors as well as the reuse that Alex demonstrated.
ALEX COHEN: We also want to talk about not all NTERs have to look the same. We showed you one that was under the Department of Energy NTER a copy of NTER and what you are seeing on the other side is one from the Virtual Career Network center this is going to have a healthcare focus. This is another NTER system not practically different in UI, but as you can see it has been rebranded and reskinned for a healthcare specific functionality. Just because we designed it one way doesn't mean we have to look that way and in fact we know that as it is getting deployed in the private sector it is looking a lot nicer than what we can do in the federal government.
MICHELLE FOX: Again the users are incredibly varied. We have there are some folk who are using K-12 math games then we also have some highly technical uses in community colleges, we also have uses for federal workforce training. We have a whole variety including colleges and universities. We also, because you can sign up for the system on your own everything is free to access and free to use, however we also have community colleges who are deploying this on their own system. So as Alex has pointed out, with the branding here, there are NTER nodes that are powering state community college systems, so it will look completely different and access will look completely different and access will be limited to the enrolled students. So access and how you want to deploy this.
ALEX COHEN: We are going to talk a little about the 3D technology and advanced authoring tools because this is one of the more interesting and more advanced features of the NTER. The question is very short and simple silly example now using the advanced 3d tools. This is I have a little more complexes model if you want to see it on how the tools were use. We are going to bring this up. This is the 3D authoring tool set and I want to be clear this tool set isn't a 3D modeling system so if you are familiar with AutoCAD® or Google SketchUp® up or any of those other technologies. That is not what this is, this isn't building the models it is how to make it interactive. When you build your model in sketch up you can load it up. In fact I asked some colleagues from the Department of Defense to provide some basic models that we can work with today. They gave me this wonderful helicopter normally if you just have a 3D model it is best for you to do is to let it sit there look at it or change it around but it doesn't really do anything.
So what we are going to do is start making it interactive. So what we have here is a geographical user interface. So no programming is needed. We can make this dupe it. I am going to go to the behavior editor. I am going to select trigger so I am going to go down and it will take a learning curve. I am not going to kid you. You are going to have to learn how to use this but there is documentation for this. It cannot be any worse than PowerPoint or any complex tools that you use on a day to day basis key press down and I am going to make it w. We are going to make the rotor start spinning. And if I am do this right it will spin correctly and not go flying off or in a random direction or go through the helicopter or any number of other things. This is a really complex model that the Department of Defense gave us. It is kind of deep but they have in fact broken out the rotor as a separate group. I am in fact going to dig deep deep, deep, and find that rotor. One of the part is called B rotor which I happen to know means body rotor. It is now under function now. We go down in the model now and go to separate parts. One of the parts is called set turning set turning and set acceleration to zero in the x direction zero in the y and 50 in the z direction. If I do this right I should be able to make the rotor spin whenever the w key is pushed.
We will call this take off. And preview so here we go. And we are not really doing anything so we press the w key the rotors will in fact start spinning. So we can do thing slike when the user presses the left key the helicopter make the helicopter turn to the left when the user presses the space bar make it shot a missile. So all the things a user might want to do. So obviously this is a very DOD specific application.
This could be done for assembling of tools or other interactive things. In fact we have used this technology at Moz (Mozilla) Fest, which is Mozilla's open festival. A video game or helicopter video game or helicopter racing video game was created in about two hours. There is certainly a learning curve here. We think it is an exciting opportunity for our instructors to get here. From here the model has been published under the project mode and if you save the project you publish it out and from here it is going to be dropped inside of a course just as you would drop a video or an image or a multimedia asset.
MICHELLE FOX: Both this tools set as well as the NTER tools set for those of you who are very eager to get started right now is www.NTERlearning.org. nterlearning.org is where most of the assets and hopefully you can see them on our screen right now and have fun playing.
ALEX COHEN: www.nter.learning.org http is not redirecting so please put the www. The 3D tool is known as KUDA so if you Google Kuda you will find it. It is usually the first or second link in Google. And here we are KUDA a library editor for authoring interactive 3D content on the left. If anyone would like to follow up with us we would be happy to provide guidance for how to do that. So we wanted to point out. We built some interactive simulation we provided the tools to build the tools as part of the frame work. And really the goal here.
MICHELLE FOX: Yes, the main reason that we are here is that it will really help to build the workforce that we need in so many different areas, not just energy. Is to help inspire people to really have a love of lifelong learning to move away from what we call standard bubble test scantron test which you see on the left side of the screen. To something much more interactive to what Alex has been showing. And to give people who have a test phobia or literacy or numeracy challenges or English is a second language. The real ability to go in and demonstrate what they might be doing in a realistic way and give them a really good success at demonstrating in a virtual environment. And in order to make that possible it is going to be something that we need subject matter for experts to be offering and not just a grant process for the federal government to be creating some of these online resources. We really want to empower the 3D web. So we know the tools set is out there and we need you to get in there and start creating some learning and training content.
ALEX COHEN: Under some of the future of development we want to go with NTER there are a number of feature one of them is commercialization. So NTER was designed support the ability to sell content not all things should be free. Now everything that the Department of Energy is doing is obviously free. Most of our partners are doing free things but the ability to sell training materials is available. So we really hope this will open up new markets for our community colleges and training center partners. So instead of just being able to search you local region so if you have an expert in some topic then maybe useful to other community college that may not have that expert you may have a potential online marketplace where you can put up either the material in a course form or individual components of that course. Maybe it is that perfect video or that really great document that should be included in that part of the course. NTER serves as that sort of e-commerce platform. So that functionality does exist today it is not really turned on but NTER.org department of energy in particular will probably never turn that functionality on because we are a federal agency but the functionality does exist and can be leveraged to actually be used. We have talked about the 3d stuff but we also want to be clear it does support the standard material like videos, bubble test or full exams can be done. In fact a number of folks have been using this to deliver CEU Continuing Education Credits to their students. The 3d part is a very advanced feature. We are really happy with it and think it is very critical. But certainly all the standard things like PDF documents or attachment or any document for that matter is certainly available and has been used. System is currently available you have the link up on the screen enter www. Nterleaning.org you are welcome to go there.
MICHELLE FOX: We want to stress that there is no cost for registering, no cost for using the software, no cost for downloading the software but we do want to emphasize that open source software that we have made the analogy that it is like a free puppy. IT may be a slightly over used analogy, but the puppy still needs to be feed and given it vaccinations, if you want to host NTER on your own. You will need to look at the actually cost for the server and so we can talk to you specifically about what the typical prices are. You are not licensing it from us so there is no cost on that. So if you already have a server than there is fairly minimum cost associated with it. But we do want you to know that there is absolutely no cost to view from us our software.
ALEX COHEN: There is a question that came in on the video editing tools that came in on NTER. So NTER has a full offering tool for courses so it is not really the content editing so it is not really the paint program or video program inside of NTER. There are plenty of free graphic tools for both video and images. Use those but once you are in the internal course offering mode you will the option to add multi-media object. So you would click and browse through your computer find the thing then we get inserted and it would be laid out in sort of a framework. So a good analogy would be PowerPoint where PowerPoint really doesn't build videos it doesn't really build images, but you load those images in and adjust them in size in relation to the other content or add a text box or whatever it is. The one big exception to this rule is bubble test and exams because that is an inherent part of a course. That functionality is included directly inside the system. We have received a number of awards.
MICHELLE FOX: Yep, and we are very excited we have been the subject of a number of White house announcements and awards. The audience for folks using it has continued to grow and we are also excited to have been acknowledged in the Department of Labor's trade adjustment act funding which is over two billion dollars of open educational resources that are being created. So with that we are thinking that more and more content is going to be flowing through the National Training Education Resource that is accessible and can also be built on top of. So this is an additional list of more recognition for this innovative platform. Just to sort of sum up because I know we have gone over a lot of things. We are continuing to build out we are very excited to have additional partners helping us you know making this a more powerful tool set. You know some of the things that we have planned include things that we mentioned at the beginning are advanced recommenders system this would help folks who have already taken courses have the ease of finding what might help them in a career path. Make recommendation about things that they might also be interested in learning, and help with the up scaling of our work force. We are really excited about what that might look like. We talked a little bit and you might have seen it on some of the screenshots. Alex showed the reviews that are possible and so we are very excited about hearing from the public who can help us to direct course development.
For example, in our solar co-official training folks are really homing in on what pieces of the module are really excellent or might need to be updated. That is helping us to direct our investments much more clearly as we move forward. The final thing that we are working on is a peer review capability and that is so that we have the ability to really really, make sure we are standing behind vivid content. That is something that is being designed with the Oakridge National Laboratory and they are helping us to design a really fantastic framework so that if you know your experts you can receive your digital content and assign that content to your local experts and then once it has gone through really strenuous review process you would assign your local stamp of approval. Then once that capability is part of the NTER software codebase it will be deployed to all the NTER nodes. You will be able to as a user be able to search for a highest rated social review piece of content or a vetted expert review. So those are things that are coming soon but right now through NTER you already have an award winning learning and content management system that facilitates the flow of educational resources shared expertise in the open source community, access to a huge repository of high quality content and the potential for additional revenue streams.
Also, all of these authoring tools that we have talked to you about. ALEX COHEN: We just had a question come in about all content being in public? So the way NTER works is that it is that you can make private or public clusters of all NTER nodes, so for example we have one school that wanted to do a five school partnership, so among them they are sharing their content and is not available to any other NTER nodes nor publically available. The same way that the Department of Defense is interested in deployment in NTER their content also would not be public, neither under license or under access. So you can make private clusters NTER if they choose to use our versions of NTER or if they choose to connect to our s version of NTER yes that content is public. It just depends on which type of group you would like to build. ALEX COHEN: We have some earlier doctors and partners that are listed up here and we are very happy that people are excited by this and are leveraging it. So we want talk about how you can get NTER or what you can do with it. So at the very least the system is available so if there is any content that you have seen today or that you are vaguely interested in feel free to take a course and sign up for NTER at www.nterlearning.org.
MICHELLE FOX: Feel free to comment.
ALEX COHEN: Exactly let us know what we can do better. So that is our one, number two here is to consider doing some sort of pilot consider we have 90 days here. That is really not because there is a limit on 90 days but because it realistically takes a couple of months for any organizations that we have worked with to figure it out for their leadership and their champions and that sort of stuff, but this is an option. There is a rapid deployment for NTER which allows you to download NTER and get it up and running very very quickly not even needing a server basically just leveraging commodity IT through Amazon's EC2 (Elastic Compute Cloud) which is a cloud hosted service. Basically you can go in there and create an account on Amazon then click a button and have a copy of NTER. Then you can use and test it out. Use it, create a course, see if the folks on the phone are interested we have a development environment we can provide access to if you just want to try creating a course. Number two. Three computer integrating. If you like what you are seeing and are like, that's it we want it, that's wonderful, we would be happy to integrate it with how you can integrate it with any existing infrastructure or apply it to organization. And finally on governance, help us we need you we need input from the public and from everyone else on what we should be doing, what feature that we need to focus and the new development requirements are. So if you have some suggestion please send it our way. Our contact information is listed at the end. So please reach out to us and let us know. Our contact information for Michelle or myself.
MICHELLE FOX: Again and we are really grateful for your time and attention and hope that you can understand what our goals are and can get to speed and scale on the recovery act we had that one time opportunity and really wanted to help address R (research) and D (Development) challenges that were prohibiting us from seeing the true potential for online learning. So we really wanted to try to produce great online immersive education. You know really work on I think some serious challenges that have prevented people from being able to search and find good content, work on things you know like firewalls that prevent us from being able to access high quality content which is the web gel function that we looked at. Really increase the speed at which people learn and reduce the cost for developing and deploying this kind of online training. And so we hope this tool has wide application far beyond what our initial investment has really successfully achieved and actually has some implications the training needs that you have. We are excited to see how this might have triggered some thoughts in the imagination on your part and we look forward to hearing from you in our email. I think that concludes it.
ALEX COHEN: Thank you guys so much.