"Green" Codes and Programs (Text Version)

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Curtis Framel: Good afternoon for most of the country and good morning to Pacific Standard states. My name is Curtis Framel, Technical Assistance Program Lead with the Southwest Energy Efficiency Project SWEEP, based in Boulder, Colorado.

We are a non-profit public interest organization promoting greater energy efficiency in the Southwest and are part of the US _____ _____ Department of Energies Recovery Act Technical Assistance Provider Network. I'll be serving as the moderator for today's presentation on Green Building Codes, standards and programs.

Our presenters today include J.C. Martel, also with the Southwest Energy Efficiency Project, and Michelle Britt, with Pacific Northwest Laboratories based in Richland, Washington.

So let me give you a quick bio on both our speakers today before we get going. J.C. Martel joined SWEEP earlier this year to promote the advancement and adoption of energy in green building codes and to provide technical assistance to states, cities, and utilities that are implementing programs to increase energy efficiency in the residential and commercial buildings. Previously J.C. managed a residential retrofit program in Boulder, Colorado and acted as a key point of contact for the city and county's Green Building Program. More recently J.C. managed a stakeholder engagement process to reach consensus on a regional Green Building Program for the Denver Metropolitan Area, since Colorado's a ______ state. The project will be used as a case study in today's presentation.

A short bio on Michelle Britt. She's been with the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory since 2009. For seven years prior to joining PNL she was a partner in a nationally recognized building energy consulting firm and managed the energy code compliance analysis for the residential baseline studies in Nevada and Iowa and a commercial baseline study in Indiana. Before that, Michelle was formerly a project manager with a major West Coast environmental consulting firm and a planner with the Regional Council of Governments.

Now before we get started, I'd like to go over the webinar platform and process and how this all works, and I'll also briefly introduce the Department of Energy's Technical Assistance Program, TAP. Now, the webinar will work like this. Everyone's muted. You all know that. There's three presenters, and we're on live. We will go through the presentation in about 45 minutes and then leave questions for the end, for about 15 minutes. But when you have a question, go ahead and put it in the question box on the right-hand corner. You don't need to wait till the end. It's the arrow, the orange arrow, which by clicking it kind of goes in and out and allows you to place the question in.

The blue button is just to get full screen, so if there's a specific person you would like your question to go to, indicate that or I will just open it up for both speakers.

Now, a copy of both the presentation and verbal transcripts will be posted on the Solution Center website afterwards, and also, just so you know, listeners will receive a questionnaire evaluation when the webinar is over, and we appreciate any of your comments.

So with that, what is the Technical Assistance Center, TAP. It's over 200 helping hands represented through several dozen organizations. Through TAP DOE has launched an effort to assist SEP and EECBG grantees and sub-grantees, Recovery Act Recipients, who are eligible to receive free, direct assistance from these technical experts

I know here at the Southwest Energy Efficiency Project we have received . questions from states and municipalities on a wide variety of requests, from assistance with building codes to finding the example RFP's for thermal imaging equipment. We're working on questions like how to wean businesses off of energy efficiency rebates and incentives while maintaining high participation rates. We're doing surveys of how other EECBG communities are involving large industries and manufacturers in the Retrofit Ramp-up Program .

We're reviewing an anaerobic digest, or RFP, and helping municipal entities interested in contractor building code training. ____ _____ provided with, although there are other resources and elements of the program that are available to you, like the peer exchange. There's meetings coming up across the country soon, and it's an effort to hear from you and your peers what's working, what's not. Now, these events will be before the first of the year. They're being organized now, so let us know if you're interested in attending one in your state or your region.

So in a nutshell, the Technical Assistance Program, TAP, has five different teams offering a diverse set of skills related to program development and implementation, as you can see from this summary list. Your questions can be assigned to one of several teams, financing, performance contracting, regional coordinators, and even the National Energy Laboratories.

SWEEP is part - presented by these regional and national organizations. I'll show you this again at the end of the program with contacts so you'll know where to go for additional information. That's the key to TAP, brokering and providing information and research to help you get the job done.

So with that, let's get on with our presentation for today. Michelle, I'm going to hand it over to you to begin our webinar.

Michelle Britt: Thank you, Curtis, and good morning, everyone. Our goals today are twofold. First, we'd like to provide a solid, albeit fairly general, understanding of the purpose of Green Building Codes and standards, and secondly, we hope everyone will understand the option if you're looking for a Green Building Program for your organization, agency, state, or community.

First we'll explore some background and overview information on Green Building Codes. Their objectives aren't new. It's the packaging and the metrics that look a little unfamiliar to us. Some of you may remember in the ‘70s and into the ‘80s energy efficiency was commonly viewed as a function of not just a building but also its siteing, orientation, shading, and really the general neighborhood layout, an outgrowth of ecological awareness and what we used to call conservation. Communities adopted solar access requirements specifically allowed solar panels and clotheslines and actively discussed ____ _____ effect of wide roads and of hardscape. Communities designed walking and bike paths that connected the community, and general plans were revised to accommodate new conservation goals and the zoning ordinances were changed to reflect the general plan changes.

Communities tended to have a comprehensive approach to sustainability, although that word wasn't used as much as it is today. However, there was a shift and with the advent of Title 24 in California and the National Model Energy Code, the precursor to the current IECC, that many states adopted in the late ‘80s, energy efficiency became codified in a new way, focusing energy conservation on building energy efficiency. The IECC ____ _____ 90.1 have been very effective at transforming building energy efficiency, but conservation and sustainability outside the building _____ were back burnered in many communities.

So looking at the slide that Curtis has up now, a Green Building Code is one that comprehensively addresses in one document the topics that we see here, site sustainability, water use efficiency, and that's not just in the building with the plumbing fixtures but also outside the building in terms of landscaping and irrigation, energy efficiency, of course, indoor environment quality, and materials and resources.

Alternatively sometimes - actually if you can go back one slide. Alternatively you'll hear not just Green Building Codes but Beyond Codes, and those describe programs which exceed the minimum energy and local code or planning requirements. And whether those programs are voluntary or mandatory, what the Beyond Code and the Green Building Codes are doing is they're just going beyond the practices that are addressed under the more widely adopted codes and standards, such as the IECC or the residential codes, the IBC, the International Mechanical Code, etcetera.

Over the last 30 years, there have been a few cities, Austin, Texas, Scottsdale, Arizona, Fort Collins, and Boulder, Colorado, are both key examples that have maintained an ongoing interest in sustainable development and building energy efficiency. And with the advent of the United States Green Building Council and USGVC, their leadership and environmental - or, sorry, leadership is energy and environmental design or LEED Program, Fort Collins sided with and really helped to invigorate this renewed national interest in sustainable community planning and energy efficiency. And today there's an interest in sustainable planning and development, an increased building energy efficiency among both the design and build communities and in jurisdictions. Some broad, comprehensive programs have been developed and adopted at both the state and local level. Go ahead.

In the last two years we've seen the availability of three new national programs, codes, or standards, and for the purpose of today's conversation, I'm using programs, codes, and standards somewhat generically. These codes were developed in a broad consensus process. They were based on significant input from the USGBC and technical experts in each of those subject areas we _____ listed out a few slides ago, the site sustainability, water conservation, land use, etcetera.

Each program developed benefitted from the experience of jurisdictions like the City of Scottsdale, the Department of Energy, and advocates across the country.

In April of 2009, a new residential green standard was released, a joint effort of the National Association of Homebuilders and ICC, and on the commercial side, ____ _____ Standard 189 in early 2010 and the public version of ICC's International Green Construction Code was released just a few months later.

J.C.'s going to get into a few of the details of these a little bit later, but my point here is that they were developed in a very broad consensus process with input from across the country. Content-wise, they looked very similar to LEED and the locally developed programs, but the key is that they were written to be adopted by the jurisdiction. Next slide.

So certain aspects of the Green Building Program are best handled outside the building department, and the reason for bringing this up is the comprehensive nature of the Green Building Code when they first come before some of the building departments or some of the building officials, the initial perception is that that is going to be their responsibility within that department. And really they go very broadly outside the building department. They can be accommodated through the general plan policies and zoning ordinances.

One of the first things that jurisdictions or agencies need to do is take a look to make sure that the policies and ordinances that they have on the books don't prohibit desired aspects of those new programs. For example, zoning ordinances can have turf or hardscaping requirements that conflict with water conservation or heat island elements of the Beyond Code Program. There might be parking requirements in a jurisdiction that can be an issue and so on.

There are program elements - program elements and categories such as site selection, transportation, water conservation that need to be handled outside the building department by assigning individual checklist items to different departments, which is really going to vary based on the jurisdiction staffing and the permitting process. Well, let's take a look at two examples.

The first one deals with site development and land use, and many site development and land use issues can be handled by the planning department, such as the one we see here. I've pulled an example from Public Version Law to the IGCC that addresses agricultural land, and jurisdictions are going to need to ensure that, again, that their zoning doesn't conflict with this. And within site development and land use issues, there are concerns that might not be addressed in planning, though. You might go storm water drainage, storm water pollution control, which again, depending upon that jurisdiction, perhaps not the building department, perhaps not the planning department. Maybe you're looking at bringing those into the engineering.

We're going to take a look at the next slide. Within the materials and waste management are some elements that may require a call to a real practical shift. For example, construction waste management plans and implementations, issues such as this, this isn't something that typically goes through most jurisdictions at this time. It's not something that they're set up for verifying, but the verification of compliance should not be burdensome. But until construction waste management becomes the norm, it's going to require more involvement on the part of the building department, on environmental services or whichever department that this would naturally fall on in this jurisdiction.

This next slide provides a bit of perspective, and you can see how up until this past year aside from LEED the jurisdictions we're using locally are regionally developed programs. The benefit of developing a local program is that it could really be tailored specifically to the needs of the community. Pena County, Arizona has a very thoroughly developed, locally vetted, very tailored to the needs of their community program. The downsides of developing this local program is the time and effort to develop it, to maintain it, and enforce a unique program and the inability to directly share resources with other agencies or jurisdictions.

One of the questions often asked is USGBC was so involved in the development of the IGCC and ASHRAE 189, what are their plans? Where is LEED headed now? Ask anyone involved with USGBC and they'll tell you that their mission will be to continue to lead, and I mean l-e-a-d, lead the effort and that the program LEED, L ‑E-E-D, will continue to be a proving ground for new measures and techniques in gaining sustainability in our buildings and communities.

One of the key questions that come up in many audiences in discussing these new codes and new concepts is how that will look in the face of - how that will be codified and what that will mean practically within the community. And it's really important to note that a code is only mandatory if the jurisdiction adopts it as such. The jurisdiction has the option of adopting a new code as a voluntary measure that perhaps has incentive or as a mandatory measure if that's the political reality, if you will, of the community. Both IGCC and ASHRAE 189 as well as the ICC 700 can be adopted as voluntary or mandatory working within the community.

J.C., would you like to take it from here?

J.C. Martel: Sure. Thank you, Michelle. Now, I'm going to talk in a little bit more depth about the codes, standards, and programs that have become available over the past two years. I think these new codes and standards and programs have the potential to significantly change the way we build and retrofit buildings, and potentially they can accelerate our shift to green building at a rate and with an ease that we haven't seen in the past.

Next slide, Curtis. So here are the five programs that I'm going to give an overview of today. This is by no means a comprehensive list. There are hundreds of programs that have been developed over the nation - or throughout the nation over the past 30 years and many different programs in the market today. But I'll start by talking about the International Green Construction Code. This was released in March of this year, and it is written in mandatory, codified language, easily adoptable by a jurisdiction who uses the family of international codes.

If you haven't already done so, I'd suggest starting by reading this 33-page synopsis that is available for free download on the International Code Council's website. It will give you background into the code, how it was developed, what the key components are, and it's in text format. So before diving into that code language, you can read the abstracts of each chapter. So I recommend starting there.

The International Green Construction Code is an overlay code. It's not meant to stand on its own two feet. It's meant to work in tandem with the other codes that have been widely adopted across the nation, such as the International Building Code, the International Plumbing Code, the International Electric Code and so forth.

The IGCC provides an integrated adoption process with standard 189.1 and with the residential standard, the National Green Building Standard. So the jurisdiction can elect to also adopt those if they adopt the IGCC.

So how does the IGCC work? How is it laid out? It is composed, primarily, of mandatory requirements. The jurisdiction that adopts the IGCC can specify requirements in each environmental category, energy, water, materials, etcetera, and then there are a relatively small amount of building owner or designer choices. Each chapter starts by laying out the mandatory requirements for that environmental category, and then at the end of each chapter you can find the project electives.

Next slide. The jurisdiction can choose 0 to 14 minimum project electives that the designer has to comply with, and then the designer can choose out of 60 electives. This is very flexible to support the interest of the private sector.

Next slide. ____ codes so you could get an idea of what it's for. The general idea is to reduce consumption and emissions and increase savings economically and environmentally, so you'll get a 30 percent reduction from the 2006 energy code, a 20 percent reduction in water use compared to the International Plumbing Code, 35 percent of the construction waste materials diverted from the landfills. Similar with the other Green Building Codes.

ASHRAE Standard 189.1 was published in January of 2010. The process started in 2006, and there were four public reviews and it was a lengthy consensus process, ANSI approved. Like the IGCC, 189 has mostly mandatory provisions, however, most of the subject areas also have prescriptive and performance options for a small portion of each of the sections. There are five subject areas in the 189. There's site sustainability, water use efficiency, energy efficiency, indoor environmental quality, and the building's impact on the atmosphere and materials and resource.

Each chapter first addresses the scope and then it indicates if there are compliance pads, lists the mandatory provisions, and then breaks out the details of the prescriptive and performance compliance paths. And from the next slide you can see the building blocks of some of the standards and programs that were used as the foundation of 189, such as Standard 62 for ventilation, Standard 90.1 for energy efficiency, 55 for thermal comfort. It also references energy start products throughout the standard.

Moving onto the National Green Building Standard, this is a points-based standard that was created by the National Homebuilders Association and the International Code Council. It's no surprise that NHB created this first ANSI consensus-based standard for residential green building ‘cause they have had a lengthy history of Green Building Programs and ____ guides in the past. So this document was first published in 2009, allows for plenty of flexibility for the jurisdiction. The jurisdiction can set the minimum number of points required in each category. The energy is based on the 2006 International ANSI Conservation Code requiring the minimum threshold level, which is bronzed to be 15 percent above 2006. And there's a free web-based tool on the NHB website that you can get in there and track your projects.

For states, cities, and counties across the country, Green Building Codes have been used to achieve broad environmental goals. It seems to be common knowledge these days that buildings are responsible for 39 percent of the nation's carbon emissions and also 40 percent of our energy consumption, 13 percent of our water consumption.

So Cal Green is included in California's portfolio to achieve environmental goals. As the first state in the nation to adopt a state-wide Green Building Code, Cal Green is the minimum code required by California law, and then jurisdictions are able to set local laws that exceed those minimum requirements. This code will go into effect in January 2011.

The United States Green Building Council has a program to meet just about every need in the build environment. They now have the neighborhood development in pilot, commercial interiors, _____ ____, new construction. The LEED rating system was never intended to be a code, and, yet, over 45 states, including 442 localities and 35 state governments have adopted LEED in some form of legislation, ordinance, or policy. While code set the floor in the minimum legal building requirements, LEED sets the ceiling and continues to drive innovation and market transformation.

And now Michelle will dive into the case studies.

Michelle Britt: Let's take a quick look at a couple of the case studies to see what can be accomplished. The City of Boulder, Colorado has - go ahead. Next slide, Curtis. The City of Boulder, Colorado has one of the older programs. They took their early efforts from the 1980s and grew them into a contemporary, comprehensive program. Programs such as this, as I mentioned earlier, takes significant time to develop. Often additional _______ and are time consuming to implement and maintain, but they're transformational in the community. I think that most people in the Boulder area will agree that development in Boulder simply happened differently and that's in large part to their Green Points Program.

Today it's important to note that Boulder is looking at the potential benefits of adopting nationally developed and maintained programs.

Take a look at what the City of Longmont did. They have taken a jump ahead and they've already adopted the ICC 700 National Green Building Standard, and they've used this standard to their advantage. And again, this gets back to there are now national standards and how can they be used by the state or agency or jurisdiction, and they've used the standard to their advantage.

The planning department has reviewed and vetted the land use option in the standard, ensuring that all the applicants are picking up the points available there. So that's not something that each applicant has to go through, and if you heard just a moment ago, as J.C. was describing the ICC 700, it does have a benchmark with the 2006 version of the IECC. So they've overcome that. They've adopted the 2009, and, yes, that does mean that the applicant is going to go ahead and get some points, just based on meeting the new code. But again, they've taken it and they've made it work in their jurisdiction and what they're able to do with this new standard is they're transforming the way development occurs in their community and they're taking it one step at a time.

Let me share with you a little bit about the activity in the Denver Metro area, and they are following the steps needed for a successful regional Green Building Program.

In the spring of 2008, _____ began an effort to research above-code programs and their member states and develop a guide for developing and implementing successful programs. This evolved into a guide entitled Successful Beyond Code Programs, Creating More Energy Efficient and Sustainable Buildings and Communities, and information on where to find that guide will be on your last slide with a number of other resources. But after a workshop on this guide in 2008, stakeholders in the Denver Metro area determined that they were interested in developing a green program that could be adopted regionally.

Many of the jurisdictions in the Denver Metro area had their own locally adopted programs, and they were looking for consistency, not only across the Denver Metro area but also potentially across the State of Colorado.

So they reconvened early this year, broadening stakeholder involvement across the interest groups, and sustained stakeholder involvement is a key to success with a new program. It's important to note that you bring all the stakeholders together, including those that you know are opposed to any change.

Secondly using a consensus approach, they identified their goals. Their goals were to use a national code. Coming from the history of having these locally adopted programs, they knew that they did not want to undertake developing a new program and having to maintain it. They wanted to rely on something that had been nationally vetted. But again, this was their goal.

Secondly their goal was flexibility for the jurisdictions. They wanted to have a regional program that a jurisdiction could adopt either as voluntary or mandatory and that they could each adopt their own minimum compliance threshold. Across the Denver Metro area, like in many metropolitan areas, there are jurisdictions that have been very progressive in this area. There are others that are just getting their feet wet, so they wanted to identify a program that would work for both jurisdictions, and for the developers there would be a commonality across the region of what code was adopted, albeit to different thresholds.

Based on broad stakeholder involvement in these two well-defined goals, they were able to reach a recommendation. So again, if we're going to identify the steps necessary towards a successful implementation program, I would say bring together all your stakeholders, including those that you know are opposed to any change, identify your goals, provide education on all the options available to meet those goals -- The Denver Metro stakeholders have spent a significant amount of time learning about the IGCC, ASHRAE 189, ICC 700, etcetera -- and then work within the jurisdictions to identify clear paths for adoption, compliance, and enforcement. This won't be a function of the building department. It's going to stay in the departments, and then finally, provide education for staff and local design and build communities.

Taking a look at just a few of the resources here, today - could we ______ one more slide. Thank you. So again, we talked one of our goals for this webinar today was to identify some of the options for sustainability and conservation in your communities, and today the options are broader than ever. You have four. You can adopt one of the new nationally developed and vetted programs; you can adopt one of the well-established third-party verification programs, such as Earth Craft, Earth Advantage, or Green Gloat; you could develop a local or regional program specifically tailored to your community, such as the one I mentioned in Pima County, Arizona; or you can develop a combination of that.

We're going to take a look on the next slide, what they did in Alexandria, Virginia, and this is some research that we've done, pretty typical across the country in that there will be a national program that's perhaps been codified, like the ICC 700 or IGCC or the new ASHRAE 189, one of those programs or a local program but as an alternative typically is LEED. And so you can see here, Alexandria, Virginia, they offer some options. They've identified non-residential. They identified the threshold of compliance for LEED, and then they gave options for residential. You can be LEED certified, LEED for homes, or you can do the ICC 700. So again, that's just the fourth option that is available today.

I will go ahead and pass this back to J.C.

J.C. Martel: Thanks, Michelle. The Environmental Protection Agency released a tool kit this year that could be very useful if you need to do an assessment and then create an action plan for your community. This was created for Region 4, the Southeast United States, but can also be applicable in other areas in the country.

The tool kit can be useful to evaluate your existing codes and ordinances and then determine if they do or do not support the Green Building Program. And this can also be helpful to reveal any potential conflicts that might arise if you choose to propose a Green Building Program.

You can see here as an example of a snapshot from the tool kit, you can indicate if it's green, yellow, or red, if, you know, by answering each of these questions. And it could be incredibly useful, also, as there's a resources section within this tool kit where for each of the environmental categories, land use, water, etcetera, there are some of the most widely used resources listed there in that tool kit. And that's available on the EPA website.

The next shot or slide has snapshots from the Building Codes Assistance Project. This is a tool that I use quite a bit. It came out not too long ago. It's called the Ocean Tool, and you can find code status updates on every state in the nation. They also now include building code status updates, a national listing of above-code programs, which documents over 300 programs around the nation.

And additional resources on the next slide can be accessed. Most importantly, networking and learning from others is a great way to stay in the loop on green building activity, specifically by joining your local chapter of your trade association, if you identify with any of the industry groups, and calling on jurisdictions and builders who I work with in jurisdictions that have already adopted Green Building Programs, that's really the best way to gain that internal perspective and stuff that you can't just read in a book.

Next, there's the DSIRE website. That stands for the Database for State Incentives for Renewable and Efficiency. You can find all the financial incentives associated with energy and renewables on that website, and Green Build is a very popular international conference. This year it's in November in Chicago. The International Code Council, ASHRAE, the US Green Building Council, each of those trade associations are a great resource and also offer training on each of their codes and programs. They also offer many webinars, so you don't even have to go to the site.

SWEEP, as Michelle mentioned, published this Going Beyond Code guide, which is available on our website, and also as I already mentioned, but here's the link for the _____ Ocean website.

Now back to Curtis.

Curtis Framel: Thank you, J.C. Thank you, Michelle. Great presentation, and before we go to questions, I'd like to again highlight the Technical Assistance Program, TAP, and how to seek further information. As a reminder, this is your first step. This is probably where you came to register for today's solution center, submit questions. These are the LEEDS for ___ ____ for service territory, so if you're a jurisdiction or a municipality or a state government within these areas, these are your contacts for further information. And, in fact, we can even help you submit ____ questions if that's a need you have.

So with our remaining time, we'd like to just open it up for questions that you might have for Michelle or J.C. or even myself. It's that orange arrow in the upper right hand of your screen, and so we'll just take a look and see what we've got and answer your questions and have some discussion here.

So I have a number of questions. "Is there any data that compares the cost of each state for code adoption and compares it with relative success or ease of the code?" Adoption. So, Michelle, J.C., the question is is there any data that compares the cost of each state for code adoption and compares it with relative success or ease of the code.

J.C. Martel: There is, and I have those links that I'd be able to send out on each of the states. I believe they're housed on the DOE website, but that's just for the energy code. I haven't seen those cost analyses yet for the green codes.

Curtis Framel: All right.

J.C. Martel: But if the asker wants to shoot me an email, I can send over those links.

Curtis Framel: "The adoption of codes and compare it with the relative success or ease of the code adoption."

Michelle Britt: Are they - do you want me to take that, J.C.?

J.C. Martel: Yeah.

Michelle Britt: Okay. My understanding is they're asking which of the codes would be more straightforward to adopt, and I think that there's plusses and minuses to each, and let me go through - well, IGCC has not been - you know, the public - it won't be out until 2012, so we're not sure how that's going to shake out and what that's going to look like to adopt. But I think that one of the benefits many departments, jurisdictions see with IGCC is that it's part of the I codes. It's what they're already working with, and it layers upon their _____ and it also has the benefit of adopting by reference ICC 700 and ASHRAE 189. So it's really one complete adoption across the board with just one ordinance.

It also - so it would be, I think, unusual for a jurisdiction to just adopt ASHRAE 189, just like with the energy codes, there's usually an alternative compliance path whether or not you're going to use the IACC or ASHRAE 90.1. My sense is that it's going to be the same way with the Green Building Codes, particularly since they're referenced within each other.

One of the difficulties, if you will, going from the third-party verification programs like LEED and Earth Craft, etcetera, to the national programs and having it completely codified is as anyone who has been involved in LEED knows, there is a lot of third-party verification involved, a lot of paperwork involved, but somebody else outside the local jurisdiction is taking care of that for you. You know, the LEED AP is taking care of all that.

With the new program, that hasn't quite been sorted out yet how the compliance and enforcement will be documented, how that's going to happen within the jurisdiction and without the benefit, although cost, of the LEED process, how that gets absorbed into the jurisdiction.

Curtis Framel: All right. Next question. "What about jurisdictions who don't enforce the Commercial Energy Code?" What do you feel the requirement should be for building designers in regard to designing to code, for example, code officials in Illinois.

Michelle Britt: That is a more difficult question. It depends - and not to be specific about Illinois, it depends on what has been codified within that jurisdiction. And clearly to successfully implement one of the Beyond Code Programs, you need to be - your department needs to have a real solid understanding. Your local builders, designers need to have a solid understanding of how the energy code works, and they need to be enforced. If you're in a jurisdiction without an energy code and you want to use one of the Beyond Code Programs, there's just a little more burden on the designer or the developer to follow that program independently. _____ ____ not part of the local jurisdiction.

J.C. Martel: I have two things to add as well.

Michelle Britt: Thank you.

J.C. Martel: The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of _____ [skip in tape], it has initiated many compliance and enforcement projects throughout the nation. So I think within the next year into, the next two years, we're going to see a lot more who achieve that 90 percent compliance.

My understanding is at best we get about 50 percent compliance across the nation with our energy codes. So there is just a significant amount of work that needs to be done there. We can assume energy savings based off of data analysis from these energy codes, but yet if there is not enforcement and compliance, then we don't ____ ____ energy savings. So compliance is incredibly important and as important as adoption, if not more important as adoption. _____ a webinar, I think, in November on compliance and enforcement that SWEEP will be hosting, so you might want to dial in on that and get up-to-date information on what's going on with the compliance and enforcement infrastructure.

Curtis Framel: The next question's a good one but one that DOE might need to answer directly. It says, "For states that haven't adopted the 2009 IECC but gave assurances to do so when accepting ___ ____ funding, is there a timeline by which the code must be updated and what reporting requirements are there to DOE?" So this question we'll need to get back to you on.

J.C. Martel: Well, I can just say if you look at Section 410, it says you have two years.

Curtis Framel: Okay. Great.

J.C. Martel: But you can pull that right out of Section 410 rather than quoting me on it.

Curtis Framel: Next question, "Are there tools or tool kits developed by ASHRAE or ICC similar to the EPA tool kit for green building?"

J.C. Martel: Michelle and I were actually just discussing this yesterday the need, perhaps, for the national labs to provide tool kits associated with the new green codes ___ ____ IGCC and ASHRAE 189. Materials do exist but not necessarily a comprehensive package of documents that will be needed with checklists and field guides, etcetera.

Michelle, do you know of any specific field guides to accompany those codes?

Michelle Britt: Not yet and - not yet and I don't foresee ASHRAE and ICC developing them in the immediate future, particularly since the IGCC is not going to be out until 2012.

Curtis Framel: "Does ASHRAE or ICC also provide webinars on their green codes and standards?"

J.C. Martel: Yes, absolutely, and you can pull those off of the ASHRAE and the ICC website and those web links are available in this presentation.

Curtis Framel: Next question, "Are there any communities who have adopted the IGCC Public Version 1 today?"

Michelle Britt: Yes, there are. I know in this neck of the woods Richland, Washington has adopted the IGCC, and how about down by you, J. C.?

J.C. Martel: Well, actually the building I'm housed in is looking at using it as a case study or, you know, retrofitting this building according to Chapter 10, Existing Buildings chapter, in the IGCC. There are some jurisdictions who are looking at potential adoption over the next two years, but there hasn't been any activity in 2010 with the IGCC. I do get the updates from RECA, the Responsible Energy Codes Alliance, and they've been reporting on Georgia's progression. It looks like Georgia is looking at the International Green Construction Code and the ICC 700. So it might be worthwhile to stay up to date on what they're doing.

Curtis Framel: Okay. Next question. Can you adopt a Green Building Code but maintain the energy code provisions to the base energy code?

Michelle Britt: You know, it's up to the jurisdiction how they - how they wish to use these codes, and it's written into Chapter 3 of the IGCC where the jurisdiction specifies various choices that they're going to make. And it's a little difficult to answer that question not knowing what code version that the jurisdiction is on that they're asking that question about, but yes, you adopt the code to the benefit of your jurisdiction, but all the jurisdictions should be moving towards the 2009 and ASHRAE 2007. So hopefully we're moving that direction.

Curtis Framel: Yeah, because, you know, the ______, for example, adopts the IGCC but keeps the energy provisions at the 2009 IECC.

Michelle Britt: Gotcha. You know that, again, I would say that that is up to the jurisdiction to adopt the code to amend the energy section as works best for them. That would take them to the 2009 and at the same time broadening - you know, taking advantage of all those other sections and really developing a comprehensive, sustainable Green Building Program while allowing the energy portion to remain consistent with current code. So it's their option.

Curtis Framel: All right. This question's to myself and J.C., and they're asking, "Are there, to your knowledge, areas or communities in the SEEA Region" -- and I don't know. You're probably referring to the SWEEP Region that we represent - "that are more responsive to green implementation than others?" So we can get back to you if that SEEA Region is what you were looking for, but if it was SWEEP, J.C., what are your thoughts here?

J.C. Martel: Well, that report that Michelle and I both referenced, the On Code Program Guide, looks at the different programs across the Southwestern Region. That was published in late 2008, and we're looking at doing a revision of that ‘cause there's been a lot more activity since then. I believe it was published in '08. Michelle worked extensively on that project and was the lead author, so she could probably address that as well.

Michelle Britt: Curtis, was the question specific areas or jurisdictions?

Curtis Framel: Regions, so they were referring to the Southwest Energy Efficiency Alliance Region, but I didn't know if they were in ________.

Michelle Britt: Do you know if they meant SEEA or SWEEP?

Curtis Framel: Yeah, I didn't know if it was SEEA or SWEEP, but they asked about SEEA Region. That one, we'd have to get back to you. We'd contact the Southwest Energy Efficiency Alliance - or, excuse me, the Southeast Energy Efficiency Alliance and get back to you on that.

So this next question's from Carol, "Why so much on LEED? It is not a code nor does it guarantee energy efficiency or energy savings."

Michelle Britt: J.C., do you want to go with that part or do you want me to start?

J.C. Martel: I can just say that I like to talk about LEED when talking about the Green Building Codes because it has really built the green building infrastructure in this country, and I'm not as up to date on what's going on internationally, but I know there's a lot of international activity as well. But they just provide such a comprehensive education program. You know, I'm LEED accredited, and when I studied for the LEED exam and then opened up the IGCC, I was like, wow. This looks exactly the same or practically the same, so, you know, you can see the role that the USGBC has played in those other code developments.

Did you have anything else to add, Michelle?

Michelle Britt: Well, I would just add that LEED Minimum Certification does require a percentage above code, but also LEED is typically across the country, it's an alternative compliance path for many, many jurisdictions. And then thirdly, it's a great resource. If you're not interested in LEED but you're interested in finding out about how does it work to be more sustainable within a jurisdiction on materials and resources, well, LEED's been working on that topic for a number of years and they have research information there. So whether you're looking at adopting ICP 700, ASHRAE 189 or the IGCC, the topical information that USGBC has developed in concert with LEED will be incredibly useful. And they will continue to probably lead the way. So they're really a proving ground for the codes, if you will.

Curtis Framel: Next question, "How do Green Building Codes address the cost [Skip in tape] _____ effectiveness test?"

Michelle Britt: Research on above code or high-performance buildings has been done on LEED buildings because that's the _____. That's what's been built so far, and there's a study by Cass that we can send you the link for, and I believe that the industry, sort of, accepted number is $2.00 per square foot on commercial buildings for going beyond code.

Curtis Framel: The next enquiry is more a comment than a question, and it's referring back to our first question, excellent first question. "I'm working with a Native Nation and they are looking to build a new school and want to determine the cost differential on a LEED school as compared to a conventional construction of a non-LEED building cost, also the savings comparison and timeline for payback. Can you direct us" - and here's a question - "Can you direct us to specific funds for tribes in the construction of new schools for this webinar?" I'll just leave you with that question. So can you direct us to specific funds for tribes in the construction of new schools.

Michelle Britt: That's something that we could get back to them on, Curtis?

Curtis Framel: Yeah, I think so, just ‘cause we look for financial resources outside of EECBG or SEP or the funding that this program is offering to municipalities and states and tribal entities.

Michelle Britt: There are some great resources, though, for LEED [Skip in tape] schools.

Curtis Framel: All addresses, again, on this page, so do follow up with us. "In this webinar" - they're asking a question - "Will this webinar be made available to the listeners?" Yes, it will be posted along with transcripts. So here's the next question. I think we have time for just a couple of more. Oh, we'll get back to - we're not sure on the two years, J.C., so we're going to get back to that question.

J.C. Martel: And as I - if I remember correctly, it says it in Section 410 of ______, so if you open up that legislation and scroll down to Section 410, you should see it. It says you have to - you have to achieve 90 percent compliance within two years after adoption of the most recent energy code, 2009, but, yeah, double check me on it. It was a while ago when I read it.

Curtis Framel: Okay, a comment, "Good idea on DOE providing field guides that would offer a greater degree of acceptance, at least in Florida." So with that, I think we'll hold off on any further questions because we're out of time, and I want to thank everybody for participating. I would like to go to our final slide, which highlights the upcoming webinars, right here. So if you'd like more information on the presentation today, and again, it will be downloaded here at the Solution Center Website or if you care to register for any of these upcoming webinars, please do so at your convenience.

I would like to thank J.C. and Michelle for their excellent presentations and for you, the listeners, and your time and we appreciate your involvement with the Technical Assistance Program and your involvement in Green Energy Codes Standards and Programs. Thank you.